Take a look at the graphic at the top of this page .... http://www.microsoft.com/ Does the laptop those 2 are looking at resemble this .... http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/3400.shtml Sad but true. Bwahahahahaha Steve - To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@silug.org with "unsubscribe silug-discuss" in the body.